Deirdre.net

Ellora's Cave: Jaid Black/Tina Engler Flounces off Twitter

by 16 Comments

elloras-cave-blog-header
Ellora’s Cave founder Tina Engler (pseudonym: Jaid Black) flounced off Twitter after being called out on her Thomas Jefferson/Sally Hemings beliefs (that it was a romantic relationship and the two were married) and her transphobic comments.
Yesterday was quite the day. Too bad I screencapped the wrong stuff, missed half of the best stuff, and lost bandwidth entirely just as @pubnt returned.
The Anne Rice Facebook post issue was still going sideways.

The Thomas Jefferson/Sally Hemings Issue

So there’s a new book (short story length, apparently) about Thomas Jefferson and (his slave) Sally Hemings and their BDSM “relationship.” It’s paranormal.
Jaid Black/Tina Engler got involved in this one.


And so did Jenny Trout, who doxed the hell out of it far more than I could on limited internet time/bandwidth while away from home.
The earlier start to this is last week’s Stephanie Dray incident, covered by Jeanne here and Aya de Leon here. Both cover a lot of similar ground, but both are worth reading. Updated to add this link: Roslyn Holcomb? What she said.
Today’s piece that ties all of these things together, though, complete with a neat little bow, is this one from Moonlight Reader:

And that, my friends, is the hill that Anne Rice has chosen to die on. She hates Jenny Trout so much that she will support that crap over Jenny. And she hates the “bullies” so much than anything that they think is bad, she must go on record as calling good. Even if that thing that is “good” is a disgusting rape fic about a 14-year-old black enslaved person who was raped by her 44 year old white owner for decades.

And, in related news:

Getting Back to Thomas Jefferson for a Moment…


Correction: it was Thaddeus Kosciuszko.

Transphobia

First, let’s have a trans* man speak, shall we?


Jaid Black/Tina Engler also showed her transphobic ass yesterday.


…and…


…and…


There’s more, but I didn’t screencap it all.
First: what Courtney said.
I wrote a piece last year about my evolution in thinking about transgender folks. About three decades ago, when I first learned about trans issues, pretty much everyone was railroaded into being pre-op or post-op.
The trans* community doesn’t all fit into neat categories that cis people like Tina Engler/Jaid Black define, though. Nor should they.
Hell, Jaid’s definitions don’t even cover a lot of the biologically intersexed, which my husband covered rather well in an essay on the definitional problems of “man” and “woman”. While this was written to point out how flawed Prop 8 was, every bit is just as true today.

And then the Flounce.

Tired of being called out (for good reason), Tina Engler decided to delete the @JaidBlack Twitter account.

Comments

  1. (My Humble Opinion) If you are going to be offended by others pointing out your logic fails, persecution complex, misogyny, racism, and transphobia…don’t let the door hit you in the ass. What a vile person.

    Reply

  2. I didn’t know my replies were being seen by so many people. I’ve been sick and stopped replying on the thread. Maybe I should go back.

    Reply

  3. Holy shit.
    I seriously, can’t even with JB.
    As for Dray and Kaye…well, there’s that list I have, up there they go.
    (I would love to say “unbelievable!” to all the shenanigans, but sadly, they are more common than not)

    Reply

  5. Hey, this kind of side tracks, but I think (everyone) could work harder on using terms like cisgendered, and non-cisgendered. I hear, that the term ‘trans’ is still really hard for a lot of people to hear & see. I try to not use it. That’s hard, but I try 🙂

    Reply

    • Point. I hadn’t heard that usage, but I apologize for the lack of the asterisk after trans*, which has been my usual notation. Non-cis-gendered is actually a broader term, though.

      Reply

    • One thing, though: non-cis-gendered feels a lot like adding feminine prefixes or suffixes onto everything for anything women are/do. Can’t be an actor, just an actress.
      If that’s preferred usage, I’ll get over it.

      Reply

  6. I am an upper middle class cisgendered white female. That puts me squarely in the “privileged class”. I know I get it wrong on occasion. I also understand that in certain situations that my opinion is not welcome and that I need to STFU and just listen and learn. That is actually what I try to do. However people like TE/JB make my blood boil. She has made vile statements on this issue and then tries to hide behind the fact that she has a multi-racial child by a partner that has never been a part of her child’s life. Sorry, but just because you are willing to have sex with someone of another ethnic background does not give you a free pass on the race issue debate. I have been appalled by the subconsciously bigoted statements made by members of my own family regarding members that don’t share our historical ancestry. It’s easy to embrace stereotypes and hard to put ourselves in others’ shoes and truly emphasize with deep seeded issues of racism, bigotry, & stereotypes. I am sure I fall short. I want others to challenge me so that I can do better in the future. That is how progress develops.

    Reply

Trackbacks

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *